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JFK / Kerry?[edit]

Now come on. Does anyone who searches for JFK really want to find John Kerry? Let alone Jack Kemp?

Probably not, but they are notable politicians, just like the JFK was. --Feitclub 05:06, Apr 23, 2005 (UTC)
Yes. People picked up on the JFK thing pretty early for Kerry, don't know anything about Kemp. Savidan 23:10, 7 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
No. If you can find a reference to Kerry being called JFK, please include it, but note that pipelinks should still be avoided (so the link will say John Kerry, not John Forbes Kerry), and the ordering should still be by likelihood (so Kerry shouldn't appear ahead of the Stone film). -- JHunterJ 19:50, 8 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
One other point: the John Kerry article itself does not mention his being known as JFK, so that datum (if supportable) should be added to that article first. -- JHunterJ 20:25, 8 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I agree — this is stupid. Marcus Taylor 22:29, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Initials vs Publicly identified as[edit]

To follow up the above discussion more generally -- just having the initials "JFK" does not mean the person should be listed on the page. To be listed on this page would require that the person be commonly identified by their initials (at least within their field).

  • John F. Kerry (no) -- No writer would refer to him as JFK because everyone would be confused.
  • Jackie French Koller -- Is the writer commonly identified as JFK? No. Doesn't go here.
  • Jesse F. Keeler, Canadian musician -- Quick research indicates that he may sometimes be credited on albums as JFK. More research needed, but if he is commonly credited as JFK within his industry, then he probably goes on the page.
    • FOLLOW-UP: His most recent release (verify status) credits himself as JFK. That may be a change. Research.
    • FOLLOW-UP: JFK is his moniker within the group MSTRKRFT, a commonly used track-mixing signature, and appears in Trade reviews. NOTE: He claims the "F" stands for "F*cking" (also see Joe Kinnear below).
    • SO: JFK appears to be an artist's known moniker. (OK)
  • Joe Kinnear the sports club manager -- Is he commonly referred to as JFK in the media? I doubt it, but will research it.
    • FOLLOW-UP: Not his initials. On the fan site NUFC.com, he is referred to as Joe F*cking Kinnear -- an interesting case.
    • FOLLOW-UP: Here a Guardian blog-journalist [1] uses "JFK" but immediately follows it with "get it" ("JFK -- get it--") discussing the public swearing event that inspired this nickname. Yes, interesting case -- a journalist can't write the word, but notifies you to figure out what it means in the context of swearing. lol Pondering. :)
    • FOLLOW-UP: "JFK on Tyneside" [2] (A quote from another Guardian sports blog article)
    • FOLLOW-UP: The day he got into name-calling the press, he used the F-word 52 times ... hence "the nickname" [3].
    • SO: He used a lot of bad words in public one day against the press, and thereby "earned" the nickname, which the (classier) press can't print, so you get some use of JFK in the press. (Still a somewhat problematic instance, but there it is.)

BOTTOM LINE: Just having the initials does not mean a name should be listed on a disambiguation page. JFK belongs on this page -- but not a random assortment of people with the initials JFK. Proofreader77 Proofreader77 (talk) 06:11, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Follow-up: Monikers and nicknames[edit]

  1. Note that in the cases of the artist's moniker JFK for Jesse F. Keeler and the JFK nickname for Joe Kinnear the F. stands for "F*ucking."
  2. Note that these two are not simply initials (which, alone, do not justify an entry on this page). The musician uses JFK in branding aspects of their work, and the coach has "earned" the "F" (for the F-word), yielding the printable JFK nickname in public argument with the press.
  3. Why does this matter? It has to do with the broader issue of uses of disambiguation pages like this -- and preventing them from becoming random selections of (some) people with those initials. This also has to do with entries caused by desire for another mention in Wikipedia (promotion), and formalizing why not. Proofreader77 (talk) 06:42, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]